tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post115651181872194003..comments2023-11-02T06:56:57.999-04:00Comments on Saurly Yours: Black Males Need Saving?Saur♥Krauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156963647578111742006-08-30T14:47:00.000-04:002006-08-30T14:47:00.000-04:00Dave: no because I'm not dismissing black male cul...Dave: no because I'm not dismissing black male culture as gansta obsessed nonsense (as well as making generalised statements about missing father figures, like that's a blackthang...) and other racist stereotypes that ignore the socio-economic factors of modern African American culture.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156859213715487222006-08-29T09:46:00.000-04:002006-08-29T09:46:00.000-04:00The abscence of real role models (responsible fath...The abscence of real role models (responsible fathers)has destroyed generations and exchanging positive real-life role models for those vapid sexist infantile urban greedy bling-loaded gangsta rappers <BR/>(puhleeze pick a new schtick!)<BR/>will secure the destruction of a few more.<BR/>What a horrible vicious cycle.Romeo Morningwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826410608415260786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156803868888250312006-08-28T18:24:00.000-04:002006-08-28T18:24:00.000-04:00Daniel, isnt your statement, in itself, cultural s...Daniel, isnt <I>your</I> statement, in itself, cultural stereotyping?daveawayfromhomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06237313399294302353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156793536052287792006-08-28T15:32:00.000-04:002006-08-28T15:32:00.000-04:00Excellent post Ms. Kraut! Excellent. I have nothin...Excellent post Ms. Kraut! Excellent. <BR/><BR/>I have nothing to add.Distant Timbers Echohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00096376802344297336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156696176079888082006-08-27T12:29:00.000-04:002006-08-27T12:29:00.000-04:00Cultural stereotyping (as within this post) is rac...Cultural stereotyping (as within this post) is racist, as is completely ignoring the history of socio-economic oppression of black America and the fact that 40 years ago you were an aparteid state.<BR/><BR/>I stand by my thoughts.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156683134476859672006-08-27T08:52:00.000-04:002006-08-27T08:52:00.000-04:00Daveawayfromhome, wow! Beautifully said, and I agr...<B>Daveawayfromhome,</B> wow! Beautifully said, and I agree. I actually couldn't have said that any better, myself!<BR/><BR/><B>Daniel,</B> what Daveawayfromhome said. ;o) And if *I* am racist, does that make Tabasamu racist? (See her post in the comments here). <BR/><BR/><B>KristieD,</B> very true. By buying into stereotypes, we perpetuate the idea that black criminals do it <B>because</B> they're black.<BR/><BR/><B>Alex,</B> yup!<BR/><BR/><B>Kathleen,</B> thanks, hon. I am willing to take the heat for a good cause. ;o)<BR/><BR/><B>QZ,</B> :D<BR/><BR/><B>Jef,</B> you and your wonderful wife are entirely correct. Give her a kiss from me and take her out for a nice dinner somewhere as a reward for having common sense.Saur♥Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156650837684771772006-08-26T23:53:00.000-04:002006-08-26T23:53:00.000-04:00There definitely needs to be separation acknowledg...There definitely needs to be separation acknowledged in this country between <I>racism</I> and <I>culturism</I>.<BR/><BR/>Let's imagine a scenario: A little old white lady from a middle class Florida retirement village is stuck in a room with Barak Obama and 50 Cent. If, without speaking to either of them, she is afraid of both of them, she's a racist. If she's afraid only of Fiddy, then she's probably just a culturist.<BR/><BR/>Too flippant, huh? How about this then: If you assume that a behavior, good or bad, is caused by racial markers in someone's genetic background, that's racism. <BR/>If a person misbehaves, though, that implies a <I>choice</I>, and it has nothing to do with skin color. It may, however, have resulted from lessons learned from one's <I>culture</I>. <BR/>Culture is a result of <I>choices</I>, not genetics. And any culture, be it black gangsta culture, or skinheaded Nazi culture, or hispanic macho culture, or rich white CEO culture, that encourages misbehavior needs to be called onto the carpet about those choices.<BR/><BR/>Daniel, Saur's post is <I>not</I> racist, because it's not about race. It is about culture, and choices. If you are assuming that Saur cannot criticise a culture because she is white, <I>that</I> would be racism. If you assume that one cannot be black without conforming to black culture, then <I>that</I> is racism. Do you think that blacks culture cannot be criticised without also attacking black people? <I>That</I> also is racism, because it assumes the culture to have been created not by a history of choices, but by the blackness of those in the culture. And cultures, unlike genes, can be <I>changed</I>.<BR/><BR/>One last note of self-criticism: To assume that a little old middle-class Florida white lady would automatically be afraid of Barak Obama <I>or</I> 50 Cent is <I>also</I> racism. No matter how often it might be true.daveawayfromhomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06237313399294302353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156631967445740732006-08-26T18:39:00.000-04:002006-08-26T18:39:00.000-04:00ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!Jesus this post is racist, I'm no...ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!<BR/><BR/>Jesus this post is racist, I'm not going to argue it out because if you can't see it, then you can't see it.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156566392747800492006-08-26T00:26:00.000-04:002006-08-26T00:26:00.000-04:00people are responsible for their actions period. ...people are responsible for their actions period. as a society we need to stop making excuses for why certain people screw up. And this is a touchy subject, whatever you say, people can just turn around and label you a racist. But it's not just black or minorities, its anyone who grows up in the sort of lifestyle that enables and excuses the behavior. i would think that by telling people that it's not their fault b/c they are black, or they were poor, or whatever and just excusing the whole group of people that you would be furthering racist thoughts. By excusing people for their color or socioeconomic status, people are just perpetuating the sterrotypes. Anybody can make the right choice and anybody can become successful. They just have to be responsible.Kristiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11583736569012353198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156565690127634902006-08-26T00:14:00.000-04:002006-08-26T00:14:00.000-04:00Always looking to pass the blame off to society or...Always looking to pass the blame off to society or some disease.High Power Rocketryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11537203640644706903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156536922781723872006-08-25T16:15:00.000-04:002006-08-25T16:15:00.000-04:00TC/Tabasamu, I knew you'd agree. After all, you're...<B>TC/Tabasamu,</B> I knew you'd agree. After all, you're the one that introduced this book to us to begin with (though I was already an admirer of Sowell's)<BR/><BR/><B>Deb,</B> well of <B>course</B>. That goes without saying, hon. But we're not forming task groups to examine white homicidal maniacs. We're spending money to examine black crime. When we decide to form a task force to figure out why some <B>white</B> people do bad things, I'll weigh in on <B>that</B> one, too!<BR/><BR/><B>Susie,</B> an excellent point. And the manatees. Which are cuter and can get away with 5 o'clock shadow.<BR/><BR/><B>Senor,</B> ;o) Not hardly.<BR/><BR/><B>Grant,</B> oooh, a Johnny Cochran defense if I've ever heard one!<BR/><BR/><B>Anon,</B> dittos. Thanks for the weigh-in.Saur♥Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156527763767925922006-08-25T13:42:00.000-04:002006-08-25T13:42:00.000-04:00I didn't want to touch this post, but I do believe...I didn't want to touch this post, but I do believe we have white people who are horrific when killing---cannibalism runs wild with the white folks...remember Jeffrey Dahmer? Or John Wayne Gacy? What about the Italians (my culture) who are in the mafia? So many cultures that need a reality check...and some medication. It's not only the blacks.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14986475569600734742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156522592107260482006-08-25T12:16:00.000-04:002006-08-25T12:16:00.000-04:00Saur,We normally see eye-to-eye but this post is r...Saur,<BR/><BR/>We normally see eye-to-eye but this post is racist.<BR/><BR/>I believe you're showin disrespect.<BR/><BR/>My butt hurts and I'm on painkillers so I may not be thinkin straight.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11952435078452465044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156518190146625872006-08-25T11:03:00.000-04:002006-08-25T11:03:00.000-04:00I remember an article about a teenager who killed ...I remember an article about a teenager who killed a man in a shopping mall parking lot as part of a gang initiation. His lawyer defended his behavior saying he suffered from "Urban Survival Syndrome." Fortunately, that one never caught on.Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08040058320473775641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-1156513786534070372006-08-25T09:49:00.000-04:002006-08-25T09:49:00.000-04:00I definitely agree with this, the whole black cult...I definitely agree with this, the whole black culture is to blame for the actions of their youth as well as the adults. It's cool to be a gangsta because maybe someday you will become a famous rapper. Yes that makes excellent sense! The other thing that KILLS me absolutely kills me, is how many black people are violently racist against white people and that is acceptable. I've not only seen this but had it admitted to me on several occassions. So yes, let's help these poor pathetic souls that can't seem to catch a break, meanwhile they will continue to hate us for it. I have no sympathy, clearly!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com