tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post8917230328293297002..comments2023-11-02T06:56:57.999-04:00Comments on Saurly Yours: Presidential PardonsSaur♥Krauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-76911665853403489242007-07-04T03:07:00.000-04:002007-07-04T03:07:00.000-04:00I haven't commented on much lately. (other stuff o...I haven't commented on much lately. (other stuff on my mind, and I haven't rejoiced enough in some of the things you've said to join in nor disagreed enough to want to argue) but I think you have a real point here. I have been agitated listening to the radio with the pundits from the left raging and those from the right yelling about conviction for a crime that didn't exist. You have hit a nice median. Isn't it strange how truth makes sense?Three Score and Ten or morehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04323013128311124905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-73614540923810875602007-07-03T21:14:00.000-04:002007-07-03T21:14:00.000-04:00This solidifies my view that politicians can fix n...This solidifies my view that politicians can fix nothing. Term limits... Please term limits for all offices.<BR/><BR/>~JefAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-40774847677252317252007-07-03T20:49:00.000-04:002007-07-03T20:49:00.000-04:00We'll see what kind of and how many pardons Dubya ...We'll see what kind of and how many pardons Dubya hands out when the 11th hour of his Presidency is at hand. Before this time it's not a fair comaprison vs. what Clinton did on his way out of office.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498898076985012831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-24972185005702499152007-07-03T18:12:00.000-04:002007-07-03T18:12:00.000-04:00Bottom line Scooter Libby was nothing but a scapeg...<I>Bottom line Scooter Libby was nothing but a scapegoat for liberals hellbent on getting Karl Rove. He was wrongly convicted and his appeal will show that, thus, no need for Bush to pardon him yet.</I><BR/><BR/>I find it amusing the double standard being applied by the Bush administration on this one. Considering the fuss that the Republicans made over Clinton lying about a BJ, you would think that lying about matters involving national security would produce a little more outrage.MgShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11183962674882855323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-34906907979786524362007-07-03T16:10:00.000-04:002007-07-03T16:10:00.000-04:00Liberals and their faux rage over Libby's commutat...Liberals and their faux rage over Libby's commutation is indeed funny. They really wanted Karl Rove, but had to settle for Libby, who was still convicted of a felony and has to pay a $250,000 fine. And of course, the "outraged" liberals will make no note of Richard Armitage's role in all of this or Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich, FALN terrorists, Roger Clinton, et al, or the fact that Bush was used his Constitutional right to pardon or grant clemency less than any other President in the last 100 years. Bottom line Scooter Libby was nothing but a scapegoat for liberals hellbent on getting Karl Rove. He was wrongly convicted and his appeal will show that, thus, no need for Bush to pardon him yet.Mr. Grey Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08196453916455757238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-29183840758546343742007-07-03T15:43:00.000-04:002007-07-03T15:43:00.000-04:00Daniel, Oh I agree with you entirely. That goes wi...<B>Daniel,</B> Oh I agree with you entirely. That goes without saying (or so I thought). Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. I was trying to be objective in my presentation.<BR/><BR/><B>Hans,</B> YUP! ;o)Saur♥Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-77095275535987831912007-07-03T15:33:00.000-04:002007-07-03T15:33:00.000-04:00I've read your post and it's stance on the pardon ...I've read your post and it's stance on the pardon but frankly it just looks really, really bad indeed.<BR/><BR/>Bush is scraping the very bottom of the barrel now.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-4914324101262039722007-07-03T14:46:00.000-04:002007-07-03T14:46:00.000-04:00What does Bush have to lose by commutting the sent...What does Bush have to lose by commutting the sentence? Nothing. <BR/><BR/>The left will moan about it for a short while but they don't want it to gain any traction in the press either. It will just make it that much tougher the next time they have the oppurtunity and use it. <BR/><BR/>He still could issue a full pardon and if the left goes on too much about it he just might do that. He's not above waving the middle finger at the loyal opposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-36640264387732185082007-07-03T13:17:00.000-04:002007-07-03T13:17:00.000-04:00Ed, you know, I was wondering if I should use the ...<B>Ed,</B> you know, I was wondering if I should use the word "commutation" and you just helped me to make up my mind. I altered the article slightly, due to that. Thanks. And, your analysis is right-on, IMHO.<BR/><BR/><B>Kathleen,</B> thank you so much. Your praise is high praise indeed.Saur♥Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-43876344342671182232007-07-03T12:59:00.000-04:002007-07-03T12:59:00.000-04:00I understand the reasonings for Bush commuting a p...I understand the reasonings for Bush commuting a portion of Libby's sentence but at the end of the day, all that the large majority of the American people will remember is that Libby was convicted and Bush "pardoned" him. I think that act will cause a heavy price to be paid in swinging independent voters away from the Republican party which is not what they want right now especially after losing Congress.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214319366049620074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-86049959756978774082007-07-03T11:05:00.000-04:002007-07-03T11:05:00.000-04:00Saur, kudos to you for an excellent post. I agree....Saur, kudos to you for an excellent post. I agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-90645758075956795422007-07-03T10:54:00.000-04:002007-07-03T10:54:00.000-04:00Mal, agreed! And, welcome back. It is SO delightfu...<B>Mal,</B> agreed! And, welcome back. It is SO delightful to see you here again. I've missed you.<BR/><BR/><B>Lazy Iguana,</B> excellent and interesting points. I hadn't really considered that Bush is, in essence, still shielding Cheney. You make a powerful argument.Saur♥Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160101729455178399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-85258718748651061342007-07-03T10:18:00.000-04:002007-07-03T10:18:00.000-04:00I can not help but feel that Scooter took a bullet...I can not help but feel that Scooter took a bullet here for Cheney and crew. However, I agree that Bush at least has shown some wisdom in how he applied the commutation.<BR/><BR/>Clinton's 11th hour pardons left a VERY bad taste in my mouth. It was obviously motivated by greed and politics. <BR/><BR/>Do we continue with this power? I suspect so. Frankly, the presidency has dealt itself other powers that scare me more. Guantanamo and the Patriot Act are larger and more worrisome issues.malhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12182913972445521943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11687945.post-63406210659044106962007-07-03T09:48:00.000-04:002007-07-03T09:48:00.000-04:00Susan McDougal was pardoned, but only after she wa...Susan McDougal was pardoned, but only after she was in jail for a few years. <BR/><BR/>In fact, most pardons involve people that served time in the system. <BR/><BR/>The Libby case was not a pardon, it was a deferment. As such the man will not go to jail pending his appeals process. This process can easily be extended so as so run well into 2008, then Bush can grant a full pardon on his way out. <BR/><BR/>Why not give one now? Well then Libby could not be tried for the same crime again. So he could be called to testify to and would not be able to take the 5th. Nothing he said could incriminate him - but it may incriminate others. Most likely Cheney. <BR/><BR/>So in effect, what Bush is really doing here is setting up the playing field to pardon himself and Cheney. <BR/><BR/>Exposing Plame also exposed the "brass plate" company she worked for. Everyone that had known dealings with this company (which operated out of the USA) is compromised. And all because her husband wrote an article that the Bush Administration did not like. <BR/><BR/>Bush said he would hold anyone in his administration accountable for the incident. But that was back when they thought they could get some low level flunkie to take the fall.<BR/><BR/>Oh Lt. Col. Oliver North - where are you today? Can't someone fairly low on the totem pole yet high enough to make it plausible step up and take the fall? Guess not.The Lazy Iguanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826083852416577162noreply@blogger.com