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Monday, December 19, 2005

Holy Water

I've discovered a great series of books by Charlaine Harris. They're comical mysteries revolving around vampires. I can't stand romance novels (If you've got it, why bother? If you don't have it, why bother?) and I've never touched an Anne Rice novel in my life, but these really appeal to me.

Anyway, in the course of my reading, I got to wondering about silver: If vampires and werewolves don't like silver, what sort do they find unnacceptable? Sterling (.925)? Solid? Or is a more watered down version OK in fighting the undead?

And crosses: If vampires don't like silver, you'd think sterling crosses would be the haute coutre. But how big? And should people who believe in vampires wear a dog-collar necklace of crosses just to be safe? When I was a kid, I remember watching this one horror movie with my best friend which made a big impression because of this one scene: In it, the hero holds up a cross and the vampire laughs at it. "Do you really think it's the cross that stops me?" the vampire asks. "No! You don't believe in it, so it has no power over me." I always found that a very significant theological point, actually.

Of course there are no such things as vampires... right? ;o)

Well, there are always the fruitcakes who think they're vampires just because they want to be. But real vamps who are the walking dead, sleep during the day and feed on people at night? No.

Of course, if there are real vampires, you can try dousing them with Holy Water, too. Which leads me to ...

What is Holy Water?

Holy Water is primarily either a Catholic or Wiccan convention. It's basically just blessed water.

But in the Catholic church, it's "Made Fresh Daily"! I can see the Pope visiting the Holy Water Factory each morning and standing over large vats of water, making The Cross sign and mumbling some latin words. How effective it is probably depends on how effective he is, right? But other Catholic church honchos do it too (Bishops, etc.) I don't know if a simple parish priest can do it, though. Perhaps they're not high up enough in the hierarchy?

Wiccans believe you can bless it yourself and consecrate it, but only under certain circumstances: doing it under the full moon, adding salt, and going through a little ritual of their own.

So which is better and do either of them work?

As the movie vampire said, perhaps it all depends on what you believe.

26 comments:

Linda Jones Malonson said...

My husband was a Catholic and he said that the holy water had some type of oil in it. Of course he hasn't been a practicing Catholic since we married.

I don't know about real vampires, but they used to scare the hell out me when I watched the movies. Now they just bore me.

If there is such a thing as vampires, I guess the Rappers won't have to worry about being attack because they are loaded down with silver. One got to believe in silver to wear that much.

Happy Holidays ... and just to be on the safe side, Merry Christmas!

Ellen said...

My Grandmother used to love the boris Karloff movies, and all the vampires it held. She could make the faces and funny voices to go along with the characters. Watching those movies on an old black and white TV wasn't half as scary as the movies they have out today with the blood and guts, etc.

I've never been a big fan of vampire movies, and have become even a lesser fan of my Catholic upbringing. My son just recently realized that I am Catholic, even though I never really revealed it to him. I had to explain that I wasn't a practicing one, as I don't believe much of what I was taught back in catocism classes when I was a kid.

I have tolerance in everyone elses beliefs only as long as they don't try to convert me. To each his own has become my motto, and am only sickened by the fact that we fight wars in the name of a better "God" out there.

Anonymous said...

So all us atheists are in trouble if we get attacked by a supernatural being... Of course we'd become believers in a hurry then, wouldn't we? But I guess we could explain away the monsters as space aliens or something...?

Saur♥Kraut said...

Snicksnack, *LOL*

TC/Tabasamu, sure, I understand. NP! Glad you dropped in. You've been kinda quiet lately.

Ellen, only sickened by the fact that we fight wars in the name of a better "God" out there Yeah, and even when it isn't said it's often an underlying cause (sadly). I agree about the B&W movies.

LP, really? An oil in there? I wonder if he's right, and if it is... or if he's getting it mixed up with anointing oil? Funny about the rappers! :D I really got a grin out of that. So sorry to hear you feel puny, dear.

Ted said...

I'm Baptist we don't have holy water. We do bless things, mainly fried foods, before we overindulge and talk about the Catholics.
Vampires are mostly not Baptist or they wouldn't be in movies right? Maybe they disguise themselves as vampires to cover their dancing and card playing tendancies.

Saur♥Kraut said...

Ted, *LOL* You might be on to something. But then, why the aversion to holy water? Maybe they're of a different faith altogether... like Moonies. In fact, with a name like Moonies, I would think there would be many werewolf practitioners as well.

Jamie Dawn said...

Maybe it's the color silver that they abhor. We should all just cover ourselves with foil each day.
I bless my water by the gallon jug.

Ted said...

I had an uncle with an aversion to any water not mixed with scotch, maybe vampires are the same about holy water.Maybe there is a secret vampire cult who indulge in holy water and don't tell the other vampires. Like baptists on saturday night with beer at the pizza hut next town over.

Saur♥Kraut said...

Ted, *LOL* You're in rare form today. And again, I think you're on to something! I mean, if a vampire wants to be rebellious and get wild, what else could he do? I'm thinking they indulge in holy water and snort dust from the Holy Land.

Jamie Dawn, an excellent idea. I'm working on my foil-covered beanie right now.

Eddo said...

I like the Gavin DeGraw song that starts out, "Belief makes things real..."

We can even believe in a lie after a while, and we can forget whether or not it was the truth or a lie.

I think that is one of the most amazing things about the human brain - it has such power.

We can even make ourselves physically sick, just by believing that we are sick.

I don't believe in vampires, so to me, they aren't real.

Demons, I believe in.

God I believe in.

Leprachauns - no
Elves - maybe

THanks for the birthday wishes, I hope you are feeling better today!

Saur♥Kraut said...

FTS & Eddo, I agree with you both. Except for the part about the elves, though... Fairies, yes. Elves, no. ;o)

Whistle Britches said...

Saur, if Ted is a Baptist then I'm Marshall Applewhite. Ted's form has always been rare.
Welcome back. While you were gone I voted you and Jamie D as having the best blogs of '05 and ever since she has been really mean to me. Can you help? !:}

michelle said...

Busy busy.

You went from pearls to diamond now silver with vampires, crosses, and holy water. How about gold and emeralds. Green is my favorite color.

Can we get together Wed or Thurs? Lunch, breakfast, bring you a coffee?

Lee Ann said...

I have always wanted to see what would happen if you doused a vampire with the holy water. We have the holy water in the Episcopal church too.

Saur♥Kraut said...

Lee Ann, well in the movies, they kind of melt away, screaming and smoking. I think.

Michelle, OK! I'm onto gold and emeralds next! I'm up for the challenge!

Uncle Joe, what...? Jamie D mean? That gal doesn't have a mean bone in her body. ;o) Thanks for the vote! Ted sounds more like he belongs in the rabble rouser denomination. Like me.

A Little Bar of Soap said...

This is why I'm so proud to be a Protestant Christian! Imagine, the Pope creating "holy water" like a witch! Filth!

The only water I think of as holy is water used for Baptism and Christening, and that's just because of the holy context.

Saur♥Kraut said...

LBOS! So nice to have you drop in and grace this blog with your presence.

Dave said...

I have enough trouble with reclaimed water let alone Holy water. Your post made me think back to the time I had to dump a hot Catholic Babe, I have bad knees.

Lila said...

They have a kind of holy water in Hinduism too... it's special temple water. It's interesting all the different things that religions seem to have in common.

The Zombieslayer said...

How effective is Holy Water? Well, depends on the power of the Holy person doing it. A strong cleric can do some serious damage with holy water against the undead, demons, etc. A weaker cleric's holy water only does about one to six hit points of damage.

As for Anne Rice, read the Witching Hour. Big part of it was in my favorite city - San Francisco. She does a wonderful job describing everything. She does go over the top. I read thirty pages of the follow-up to that book and quit it. but really liked The Witching Hour. Wife's a huge fan of Rice though.

dddragon said...

I discovered the C.Harris novels thru the E-reader emails that I get (books for Palm Pilots). I enjoyed them.

It's funny how many vampire books and movies romanticize vampires.

Anonymous said...

Great post..lol

Jessica said...

Zombieslayer, What are the rules for silver?

Three Score and Ten or more said...

You didn't even mention garlic. Some years ago when I directed the play DRACULA, (using the novel as a script and improvising the dialogue from the novel) one of our biggest problems was to find (or fake) ropes of garlic with which to drape the windows etc., to repel vampires. Garlic is a big thing in vampire lore. (I love garlic so much that I can't imagine a vampire being repelled by it -and if you have ever been in Korea, and eaten Korean food, you would know that all Koreans are vampire proof.)

Lucy Stern said...

I've always wondered about vampires too. Are they real? Who knows!

Silver...I love silver. Bracelets, rings, necklaces. I told my husband once that I wanted a SS heart necklace for mothers day. He bought me a white gold heart necklace. He wanted to get me something nicer than silver. I still would have prefered the silver, but I wear that one he gave to me because it was a wonderful gift from him. I guess I am not a "high maintance" girl.

The Zombieslayer said...

Jessica - Not sure. I've always associated silver with killing werewolves. That would be easy for us. Simply drop some of our silver dimes into the barrel of one of our shotguns and POW! No more werewolf. Not sure about vampires though and silver.